Ship Support USN Pentris

[03:53] Oblivion: Does anybody have any idea what a fleet tender is?

[03:53] Oblivion: Fleet tender = mobile resupply ship?

[03:53] Oblivion: or fleet tender = repair ship?

[03:54] Phifty: yo

[03:54] Phifty: fleet tender?

[03:55] Phifty: A Fleet tender is a repair and reply ship, it also is of the size to hold numerous ammounts of smaller class, though the wise commander will be sure that a substantial portion of its bays are filled with support class ships.

[03:55] Oblivion: so, it's a carrier for repair drones and stuff?

[03:55] KrisWood: basicly a supply ship

[03:55] Oblivion: how big is it? I'm referring to the pentris, btw. ;)

[03:55] Phifty: The fleet tender will also have the ability to equip modules that give benifits to the entire fleet, including incresing ECM or ECCM for all fleet member.

[03:56] Phifty: Or weapons/sensor range.

[03:56] Oblivion: so it's humungous

[03:56] KrisWood: kindofa freighter that follows the fleet and addresses whatever needs they have, be it repairs, supplies, etc

[03:56] Phifty: yes, not huuuuge

[03:56] Phifty: but not tiny either

[03:56] KrisWood: so between frigate and cruiser size on average?

[03:56] Oblivion: so it HAS TO HAVE docking bays?

[03:56] Phifty: no it does not

[03:56] Phifty: I just made that up right now, so I can change it

[03:56] Oblivion: I'd appreciate a reference with an existing ship. ;) or in meters

[03:57] * Phifty basks in his own power

[03:57] Phifty: hold on.,.. lemmie grab lappy

[03:57] Oblivion: haha Phif. ;)

[03:57] Phifty: :P

[04:00] Phifty: hurmmmm...

[04:01] Oblivion: hmmm, no info? lol

[04:02] Phifty: thers always info

[04:02] Oblivion: ..pre-made i mean. ;P

[04:02] Phifty: give me a chance here, I've got to draw on old info to make new info

[04:02] Phifty: :P

[04:02] Oblivion: archeology with a twist

[04:03] Phifty: do u have any art on it that you are working off of?

[04:04] Oblivion: okay, Im uploading it.

[04:04] Oblivion: http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j200/Astepintooblivion/PentrisOrtho.png

[04:04] Oblivion: I've created a prelim model too. I hesitate to get down to texturing pending actual size:

[04:05] Oblivion: http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j200/Astepintooblivion/PentrisPre1.png

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[04:06] PhiftyLappy: gah doing budget sheets in excel 2007 kills me lappy

[04:06] PhiftyLappy: ok Obliv I'm narrowing it down

[04:07] Oblivion: beep! beep!

[04:07] PhiftyLappy: I'd say that Dawnstar size... prob too big (we only have numbers in this range for AISN ships)

[04:07] PhiftyLappy: what do you think?

[04:07] PhiftyLappy: I'm not sure how much room you might need to leave space for modules

[04:08] PhiftyLappy: (Btw, we are talking around the very low 1000 range here, dawnstar = 1130)

[04:09] Oblivion: oof, sorry was busy elswhere

[04:09] Oblivion: I dont think the pentris should be able to carry modules. :S

[04:09] PhiftyLappy: heh, well, this is the part where we work together so that I can describe a ship that it is physicaly possible for you to make ;-)

[04:10] PhiftyLappy: Hurmmm.... I'm not sure what it would do as a fleet tender without some sort of fleet bonus ability

[04:10] Oblivion: The shape is wrong. Probably just fuel and ammo? waddyathink?

[04:10] PhiftyLappy: hurm... relink for my lappy plz?

[04:10] Oblivion: by modules, do you mean, capital ship modules? ala medea modules?

[04:13] PhiftyLappy: nono, nothing that dramatic.... some sort of small module... is that possible?

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[04:13] Oblivion: for fighters? frigates? it would be impossible if there are no docking bays..

[04:14] PhiftyLappy: like it looks as if we could mount some wort of antenna array on the top or bottom.

[04:14] Oblivion: or some sort of large bays

[04:14] PhiftyLappy: eh it would be more cruiser size I think

[04:14] Oblivion: yep, could do.

[04:14] Oblivion: How big is a cruiser?

[04:14] PhiftyLappy: Cruiser[s] - 800-1500m

[04:14] PhiftyLappy: we'd be saying somwhere in the 1000s range

[04:15] PhiftyLappy: perhaps 1100?

[04:15] PhiftyLappy: what do you think from the sketch?

[04:15] Oblivion: I dunno. ;) It's ahrd to imagine it refueling a battlecruiser.

[04:16] PhiftyLappy: It looks like it would be just a hundered m or so smaller then the Amedus and fatter

[04:16] Oblivion: So dawnstar size? Dawnstar's a cruiser right?

[04:16] PhiftyLappy: yea, around there

[04:16] PhiftyLappy: Dawnstar is 1130m

[04:16] Oblivion: ah okay. What are those small holes on the front portions of the concept?

[04:16] Oblivion: weapons? or sensors, fuel openings and stuff?

[04:16] PhiftyLappy: make the Pentris 1050 ya think?

[04:17] PhiftyLappy: Ok here's what I see in the sketch and model, tell me what you think is possible. The place where the nose slants down, on the back of the neck there is that slanted area, that could be some sort of bay.

[04:17] Oblivion: I'm not too great at measuring them. hehe. I'm just asking the general size, for the textures. ;P

[04:18] PhiftyLappy: heh, ok, I'm gonna call it at 1050 for now then

[04:18] Oblivion: Top? Bottom?

[04:18] Oblivion: Back.. is ambiguous. lol

[04:18] PhiftyLappy: the bottom back of the neck

[04:18] PhiftyLappy: you see there's a slanted area that's facing the rear

[04:18] Oblivion: oh, the ventral portion. Behind the "chin"?

[04:19] Oblivion: yep could do.

[04:19] PhiftyLappy: yea xactly, brillient. Ok onword then

[04:19] PhiftyLappy: I can bet dollars to donuts that Alex is prob going to ask you to remove the rear fins, so lez ignore them for now

[04:20] Oblivion: okay, how about those round depressions scattered around the ship, they can't possible be ion cannons could they?

[04:20] PhiftyLappy: hmmmm, no.

[04:20] PhiftyLappy: it's a fleet tender remember

[04:20] Oblivion: ill fight him tooth and claw, the fins counterpoint the essential boxiness of the ship.

[04:20] PhiftyLappy: well, that's l8r :P

[04:20] PhiftyLappy: hmm you see the part at the front of the nacells?

[04:21] Oblivion: yep.

[04:21] PhiftyLappy: those are engines for quick rear movement according to USN design philosophy thus far

[04:22] Oblivion: at first, i wondered if they could be places where another capship could attach fueling lines. like hercules midair refueling planes

[04:22] PhiftyLappy: nah, this might have something like that, but not there.

[04:22] Oblivion: teh front looks suspiciously like ion cannons tho, which is impossible in a fleet tender, what could it be? lol

[04:22] PhiftyLappy: perhaps the holes on the front nacels are some sort of refulling device?

[04:22] PhiftyLappy: a telescoping tube?

[04:23] PhiftyLappy: or perhaps a grapple/tractor emitter of sorts, for towing ships....

[04:23] Oblivion: oh, so should I model tubes in there too? I dunno nothing bout rigging them, ;)

[04:23] Oblivion: oh, does AFF have tractor beams then?

[04:24] PhiftyLappy: I'm pretty sure we don't do grapple hooks.

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[04:24] PhiftyLappy: let's call them tractor emmiters for now, it can always be changed l8r

[04:24] PhiftyLappy: yes, the big holes on the side, def a tractor.

[04:25] PhiftyLappy: I just had a great idea.... could the module( s ) for this ship be fitted as a nose? They could plug in to those two forward facing holes. the ships structure looks like it was made to fit with that.... is that even possible?

[04:25] Oblivion: okay, so how would tractors look like? greenish ion-like lenses?

[04:26] Oblivion: OH yeah!! :) I'll make a module for the emdea and try to fit it there! :)

[04:26] PhiftyLappy: Sweeeeet. Thauld be friggin awsome, nose modules. hehe

[04:26] Oblivion: hmm... might look funn too, lol. like moving stations

[04:27] Oblivion: it would mean too that all future module concepts MUST fit into the pentris's nose.

[04:27] PhiftyLappy: yea, it would change the lines of the ship when activated too perhaps

[04:28] PhiftyLappy: hmmm, that's prob too big a call. Why not make some pentris only modules for the nose first? A senser extender, and ECM/ECCM device thingie mby

[04:28] PhiftyLappy: eh, I leave that up to you, onword the tractor beam

[04:28] PhiftyLappy: I want to avoid it looking like trek

[04:28] PhiftyLappy: so blue and green, lez keep those out.

[04:28] Oblivion: hehe. xactly, pentrerprise.

[04:29] PhiftyLappy: huuuurrrmmm... what color would the ULP use that's not blue.... we could do purple or perhaps gold?

[04:29] Oblivion: blue and green, the camo?

[04:29] PhiftyLappy: meh, green is more AISN leaning

[04:30] PhiftyLappy: blue, white, grey, gold, those are really more along the ULP's lines. Democratic colors.

[04:30] PhiftyLappy: aka the kind that people keep voting on until they are toned done so much they can't offend anyone

[04:30] Oblivion: hmm. have there been any ships colored that way?

[04:30] PhiftyLappy: ULP cammo is shades of white grey and dark blue mostly

[04:31] PhiftyLappy: tho some of them have been done desert style

[04:31] PhiftyLappy: erm... not desert....

[04:31] PhiftyLappy: lol

[04:31] PhiftyLappy: we have used very dark shades of green on some ships

[04:32] PhiftyLappy: but I don't want the beam to be that color. How do you think dark gold lenses would look?

[04:32] PhiftyLappy: Yeeea, Have you seen the Dragoon Oblivion? that's a good use of gold on a ULP ship...

[04:33] PhiftyLappy: http://www.dendezyn.net/affv4/gallery.php?mode=viewimg&id;=35

[04:34] PhiftyLappy: whadaya think?

[04:38] PhiftyLappy: I was talking about the tractor lense :P

[04:39] Oblivious: thanks, have you got the rest of the log? I might forgot the other things discussed too. ;P

[04:39] PhiftyLappy: sure hold on, I'll post it on the wiki